2/23/2013

Robbers complaining about robbers




‘Experts call for reform of healthcare financing system’. This is the headline of an article of a forum of prominent doctors calling the govt to do more to reform the healthcare financing structure and spend more. They said the govt is not spending enough with ‘Singapore’s core financing system of the “3Ms” covered just 15 per cent of total healthcare expenditure.

So they want the govt to pay more, raise the 15 per cent. Is this the real problem? No matter how much the govt is going pay for healthcare, if the cost of healthcare is not brought down, just like housing prices, it is as good as a dog chasing its own tail. The more the govt pays, the higher the insurance and its payout, the higher will be medical cost. As long as someone is paying, it is good reason to say it is affordable and the fees can just keep going up ala housing prices.

This classical circular logic has been enshrined into the most corrupt financial system in the USA. What cock is this nonsense? Didn’t they know what is happening to the American and European healthcare system? Are they going to repeat the same shit here, keep chasing up the cost of insurance and govt subsidies only to raise fees higher?

Who is going to benefit in this shitty situation and who ultimately pays for all the shit?

33 comments:

Anonymous said...

Rb, this is exactly how they work hand in glove together.
Give the (false) impression that they are do gooders but, in actual fact they're colluding with one another. Conniving and cheating.

Anonymous said...

RB
I did not finish reading yr article. Ist para blood pressure go up. In my hand now letter from Mr.Yee Ping Yi CEO of CPF Board telling me, my Medishield premium up another $100. Suka tak suka March they'll deduct. They giving $200 one-off medisave top-up (if eligible) to help offset premium increase. Wat is this main layang2. Give some but tarik more.
Seriously, my own insurance covers much better than Medishield. Is there anyway to cancel Medishield? Anybody?

Anonymous said...

Guess who will benefit with increased government spending on healthcare? As someone noted some time ago, whenever there is a medical seminar or conference you will see hundreds of Porsches, Feraris, Jaguars, Mercedes SLCs, etc. Apart fron taking Dr.Susan Lim to court what else have been done to rein in the cost of medical care? Even the recently deceased doctor who gave some sage advice to young dental students confessed to being able to make millions and have a fantastic lifestyle for doing so little.Medisave, etc, is the medical profession`s guarantee of riches. Not everyone can have a $8 heart by-pass.

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jjgg said...

Rb...I call the medical profession the pimps of the Pharma companies..doctors only prescribe the medicine where they can get the best deal..a few of them has your interest at heart but the bulk of them just line their pockets with long consultations n cheap generics...yes rb...even the polyclinics do it...n the worse thing??...nobody ever blames them for dispensing rubbish n not getting cured...see a doctor at your own peril....hehe

Anonymous said...

If they know how to keep the salary of the lowest 20% low for the last 10 years, there is no reason for the escalation of prices in health care, housing, transport etc. The only question is, "How does keeping these cost low benefit the MIW?". If it does not, nothing will be done.

The only way to reduce these cost is to kick them out in 2016.

Ⓜatilah $ingapura⚠️ said...

redbean:

>> Are they going to repeat the same shit here, keep chasing up the cost of insurance and govt subsidies only to raise fees higher?

Yes, they are. Why? Because they can. Because the system is set up from the beginning (the need to "reform" is built into the system) to do just that.

Tip for the day: go private. Fuck the welfare state healthcare system. It looks like it was created to "help". But it is a trap designed by its very nature to trap you, over service and over charge so that they can REMAIN IN EXISTENCE, and you are the suckers paying for it all.

Maybe you will get well. Chances are you won't and even after death there'll be bills to settle.

Got entitlement mentality?

Anonymous said...

You are outdated. All govt hospitals are privatised, charged private rates and claimed to be subsidised, like HDB flats.

Uniquely Singapore. Only daft Sinkies like you believe in it.

Anonymous said...

They know sinkie alert level will go up if they are called private hospital. Once they called themselves restructured hospital, sinkie know that they are no longer governmental public hospital but they don't actually know what are the restructured hospitals are all about. They perceived that they are now different but they assume that they are not private. Actually for all intent and purposes they are private hospitals offering different level of care based on amount you are willing to pay.

For example if you pay top dollar, you can choose doctor and get early appointment though still not as fast as the real private one. The restructured hospitals now even have different areas for different grade of patients. So sinkie knn u better wake up.

Veritas said...

Cuba has higher life expectancy than USA, even after so many years of blockade and sanctions.

See this for life expectancy ranking

The problem of our healthcare is medical cartel. The scions of elite families become doctors if they do not want to go into politics or business. Over the years, the medical cartel has become rent seeking, raking up cost exorbitantly and giving high barriers to new job seekers.

In Cuba, Che Guevara, himself a doctor, smash the medical cartel into pieces. He make university take in many doctors.

Today, a poor country like Cuba do not import doctors. They export doctors all over the world, especially Venezuela, saving millions of people. Cuba's doctors are well regarded every well.

Before Hugo Chavez, the elites of Venezuela lied big time like what LKY does. Training doctors is too expensive and they do not have enough manpower. The poor must die. Who ask them have no $$$. When Hugo Chavez came to power, not only Venezuela medical school take in alot more students, but 30,000 Cuba FT doctors came. They provide free healthcare to the people, that a decade ago would be bankrupt by see doctors. This was under the plan of Mission Barrio Adentro.

When fucking LKY and PAP tell us the poor must die, that are all his blood sucking ultra-feudalocapitalism lies.

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Veritas said...

Singaporeans are the smartest people in the whole world according to IQ expert. Why we need to import doctors? Today, we import far more doctors than what we produced locally.

I estimate at least 20% of our students got the IQ to be a doctor. The answer is PAP hates Singaporeans. Singaporeans must get shit, while goodies must first go to foreigners.

Now FT doctors make monies big time on expense of us. 10 years ago, our graduates are already working as cashiers in Kinokuniya. Today, many waiter, cashier, clerk, taxi drivers are graduates. Many could easily become a doctor if we kick out all the foreigners.

Singapore medical cartel 7: The culprits that cause low Singaporean doctor population
Singapore Medical Cartel 6: Latest medical registration data from the ultra corrupt Singapore Medical Council
Singapore medical cartel 5: Much poorer Thailand already enjoying free basic healthcare
Singapore medical cartel 4: The lowest doctor density in developed world

Veritas said...

The interview of Che Guevara daughter

Part 1
Part 2

The capitalist spread many lies about Che Guevara. While some of his atrocities are true, but the lives that Che saved, after the smashing of medical cartel, more than 1000x redeemed his sin.

Kuan Yew promised us free healthcare in 1959.
Today, when he is dying, he check still cannot be cleared. Instead, he condemned free healthcare.

Anonymous said...

I have absolutely no faith with the imported Indian doctors at Changi General Hospital. How and why they are in practise there is beyond my understanding and belief.

Anonymous said...

/// I have absolutely no faith with the imported Indian doctors at Changi General Hospital. How and why they are in practise there is beyond my understanding and belief. ///

Because Millionaire Ministers think they can increase population without increasing the number of Singapore doctors.
Instant tress. Instant doctors.

But do you think our Millionaire Ministers get treated by Indian doctors when they suffer a stroke?

Anonymous said...

Everyone knows LKY screwed up the medical and law system thru the education system by capping the number of intakes for medical and law. Accountancy and BA students backed then can all take up medical or law easily. But he wanna set up protectionalism so they can continue to earn millions taking advantage of the people. If he has any heart at all, he would have allow more people to study medical or law or IT and now we do not need to import aliens. He is the curse of sinkies.

Anonymous said...

All those indian doctors in the public hospital will first see whether enough cpf before they will even treat you.

Anonymous said...

Forget the expert. As the old age support ratio decrease here, there is a limit of how much we can spend.

Equally important is to lower medical cost through having more competition. Also more research into traditional or alternate medicine should be encouraged

Anonymous said...

I went to the poly and was treated by a prc and ah nei. Inside only two minutes as now new treatment, doctor no need to examine your body or touch u. Just based on what u say and they know what u need already. Knn

Anonymous said...

The medical cartel is working hand in glove with the health insurance cartel.

And as in America, the hospitals will charge higher if patients have medical insurance. When hospitals charge higher, patients claim more from their insurers. When insurers have to pay more, premiums will go up. Who is trying to make healthcare expensive and who is going to pay for all this shit is obvious. Who is going to benefit is even more obvious.

JBJ said decades ago that you can die but cannot fall sick in Singapore.

Ⓜatilah $ingapura⚠️ said...

anon 621:

>> Also more research into traditional or alternate medicine should be encouraged

You have to be kidding. Traditional and alternative medicine are mostly BULLSHIT.

If the treatments work, guess what they are called: MEDICINE.

Ⓜatilah $ingapura⚠️ said...

@anon836:

>> JBJ said decades ago that you can die but cannot fall sick in Singapore.

JBJ say this, LKY say that...jezus fucking christ, you motherfuckers really love worshiping idols, don't you ;-)

The facts:

1. You are human
2. You are mortal
3. Bacteria, viruses, genetic mutation and bad luck are part of life
4. Therefore at some point you are going to get sick or injured
5. Thus it would be wise to make provisions for those events
6. If the state doesn't provide adequate cover, then the wise thing to do would be to "look after Number 1" instead of being a passive entitlement-mentality arsehole playing The Victim, blaming and cursing Lee Kuan Yew.

Got zest for life?

Chua Chin Leng aka redbean said...

Matilah, early on Sunday morning instead of going for your confession you are here bullshitting.

Traditional medicine has been around for millenium and many were fully tested and tried and proven to be working, minus the snake oil.

Let me offer you a few proven and tested remedies with meself as the guinea pig. 1. Mouth ulcer. After suffering for many years with this pain in the mouth and trying all the crap western medicine without any help but more pain, suffering and wasting more money, I am now ulcer free because of Winter Melon Frost. It used to be less than $2 a tube, now about $3.50.

Use it several times on the affected area, best when it just turns red and starting to cause pain. When it is full grown, it can't do much as it will take its own natural cause. At early stages, my ulcer will not last more than 3/4 days. It used to be a couple of weeks and damn bloody big and painful.

2. Fungus attack in hands and legs. Save your money from buying expensive anti fungal cream. Just apply Tiger Balm in the same way as you apply anti fungal cream. And it got rid of the fungus much faster without costing a bomb. Keep applying for a week or two to clear up any remedial fungus.
3. And the mother of all tummy upset, from diarrhoea to constipation and food poisoning, use Pysillium Husk. Get it from little India for less than $2, and a pack could last for a very long time if used when needed.

Don't be an asshole by screaming nonsense early in the morning.

Ⓜatilah $ingapura⚠️ said...

redbean:

Please lah. Traditional medicine is pure bullshit.

Mao brought that in because they proper science based medicine for 1 billion Chinese would have bankrupted the cuntry.

>> Don't be an asshole by screaming nonsense early in the morning.

I think you are the one screaming nonsense. Tradional and alternative medicine should be BANNED -- they are either ineffective or just out and out dangerous.

I am an asshole, no doubt about that, and I won't change. However...

I think you are being really irresponsible by supporting these nonsense therapies and "cures".

Also you purport to support "education". For fucks sake redbean, then support education -- do as you say or forever be FAKE.

You promote this rubbish medicine, someone reads it, applies it to himself or his loved one...then someone dies because of what you written -- what then?

Science Based Medicine

Quack Cast

Chua Chin Leng aka redbean said...

The 3 remedies work perfectly on me. No fake. I try things, western or tradition, if it works it works, if not, throw them out.

I save a lot of money and trouble and free from pain. What more to say?

Ⓜatilah $ingapura⚠️ said...

Anecdotal evidence. No pakai.

Anyway, even left alone, your body will heal itself (if your systems are up to the task). So there is no way of telling if your bullshit ancient voo doo works or not, unless you establish a controlled test with proper blinding.

People believe in belief, and in this case "natural remedies"...granted some might have some efficacy (and have been tested), but for the most part -- like acupuncture -- are complete nonsense.

You would save more money by not supporting these quacks.

Sad to see, well-know pahrmacies like Boots, Guardian, Watsons are selling bullshit remedies -- like "cleansing" diets (expensive rubbish), glucosomine (doesn't work), Vitamin C (doesn't work), "magic alkaline water" (like "holy" water...a complete SCAM)...

Stupidity and ignorance has a price: the con artists will get ya! :-)

Chua Chin Leng aka redbean said...

When one has been suffering from the pain of ulcers and to be near ulcer free, what more proof you need. It still hits me now and then but with the frost, it did not get too far and the damage and pain is limited to 2 or 3 days instead of a couple of weeks when full grown.

I wont want to convince you on this since your mind is set.

Ⓜatilah $ingapura⚠️ said...

redbean:

I don't require any proof ;-) You're trying to convince yourself that "I'm right. I know I'm right. I've experienced it!" -- ah, a warning sign. Certitude. Not even a sliver of doubt.

There are some reports to suggest that wintermelon frost works; if I go by your anecdotal account; on the type of ulcer you've experienced. However there are many causes of oral ulcers. Your cure might not work for all, that is assuming that it is a cure to begin with.

As with psyllium : it is a binding agent -- fibre actually. So if you have loose stools, psyllium could help. Also it might bind up/ neutralize any infective agents -- as burnt toast or activated carbon might do.

Tiger Balm contains camphor, a well-known anti-fungal.

Happy now?

Anonymous said...

Thanks Matilah for proving and certifying Mr.Red Bean is right after all. I'm gonna try it. No effect I throw away. Safe my money frm going to an educated quack.

At times u sure are useful ;)

Ⓜatilah $ingapura⚠️ said...

@anon 701

>> for proving and certifying Mr.Red Bean is right after all

"Proving" and "certifying" are 2 different ideas. Unfortunately your limited education limits you in making the distinction.

3 lucky guesses from folk medicine and personal anecdotal accounts doesn't make redbean "right". Again, pay attention to how you draw conclusions -- it's your education; the quality or lack of , I think. Or it could be an undiagnosed brain disorder.

>> At times u sure are useful ;)

I have 3 ex-wives (aka money-sponging bitches) who'll instantly disagree with you ;-)

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