9/19/2013

The case of the reappearance of empty ballot boxes

The official explanation so far, after the counting is over, the ballot boxes would be disposed off by contractors. So there would no longer be consequential to the election and not really meaningful or accountable. A few seen floating around and reappearing would just reflect that the contractors were ‘slaykay’ at most, nothing to worry about. There is no need to make a case out of the two boxes found and nothing serious really. Let’s move on, this part I say one.
 

Two of the Presidential candidates are still not happy and smelling foul. What is the real system of checks and balance? Would all the empty boxes be part and parcel of the election process and must all be accounted and destroyed together without any one left floating around. Did they claim that something is amissed?
 

Presumably, this part I guess one, since I have not been a polling agent and thus would not know what is the correct procedure. Presumably, at the end of the counting of the ballots, all the ballot papers would be placed in these same ballot boxes to be transported to the High Court for safe keeping. There was no need to pack them into the same boxes according to the area or groupings they came from, but in some of the boxes would do. Presumably they were not packed into new or different boxes that were brought in for this purpose. Presumably, some boxes would be empty if all the boxes were fully stuffed.
 

Presumably every box was a controlled item and there would be an officer to count them and check them out, X number used for ballot papers and Y number extra were empty. Presumably the total would match and all squared up.
 

Then the puzzling part, should all the boxes, as they were controlled items, be sent together to the High Court and eventually be destroyed together? Looks like this is not the case and those extra boxes were left behind to be removed and destroyed by the contractors after counting was done. They became not controlled items. If this be the case, then the reappearance of the five empty boxes needs not be an issue. It was just a slip by a slipshod contractor on non controlled items.
 

But if the procedure is for all the ballot boxes, empty or otherwise, to be destroyed together and kept together, then people may ask how come these controlled items could be left behind as they were countables and if missing would not do? But then again, as an after event, ie, after the ballot papers had been properly delivered on the counting tables, the missing boxes would just be a technical issue and would not affect the results.
 

This does not mean that imaginations cannot go wild like the boxes were already missing and switched before the counting. The understanding or assumption at the moment is that they were left there after counting. Is this assumption and understanding true or reasonable? Or is this proven, a fact? This, I presume, would be playing in the minds of those who wanted to see mischief. But this is highly impossible as the polling agents would have their eyes glued to these boxes and no one could take them away without being noticed. It could only happen if there was a gap in which the ballot boxes were out of sight from the polling agents while they were on the way to the polling stations. Presumably there was no such window to begin with.
 

So? What do you think?

50 comments:

MiniShininglyBright said...

Think only the right things.

Say only the right things.

Thank yiu!

So?

Anonymous said...

掉包

Anonymous said...

Why are WP MPs satisfied with the answer from CCS by not asking followup questions?

Why must TJS and TCB or even netizens do the job of asking these followup questions?

What's the point? (WP)

Anonymous said...

I think PAP do the right thing by asking CCS to answer those questions.

And I think WP MPs also do the right thing by not asking CCS followup questions.

And TCB, TJS and netizens also do the right thing by asking those followup questions and which CCS will also do the right thing by not replying.

So everything is right.

Anonymous said...

Tio

Anonymous said...

60% tio, everything will be tio, tio bo?

virgo49 said...

Presidential erection no 60%.

The election office made police report. Thought they have their officals to make sure things are proper and ok.

They seemed surprised???

These boxes come during the recount???

Anonymous said...

Your assumption is right. Why should there only be ONE assumption that the box were carelessly left behind AFTER the counting?

Why not assuming that the boxes were "extra" printed, labeled and some ghosts votes could be into the box and transported into the counting center? Did all the # of votes from Voting center and Counting center tally? If these boxes are deemed unsecured items, then please pass some over to opposition teams so they can have some stand by for next election..by that logic, i'm sure election department will have no worries or qualms about it, tio bo?

Anonymous said...

They print the boxes.
They have the sealing tapes.
They do the transportation.
They have their own guards.
They report to the PMO office.

What is "right" with this picture?
Why do you think is not mission possible?
You born yesterday, or you are just plain daft?

Anonymous said...

actually hor, redbean, not say we doubt their integrity lah...while is good to trust..we must also always verify meh...after all, if cpib and men in blue can all be corrupted...no one is infallible right...so until you give people the assurance with facts..you cannot just move on right...even ns men and prisoners can be killed for no rymthes and reasons...why should we trust ah chan's words...why wp so quiet and just accept it huh? issit becoz that very day when chan answers the queries, everybody was interrupted by ah gong's birthday presence....give him face or still fear a frailing old man...? the timing very 'zhun' hor...

oldhorse42 said...

Since a police report has been made, police has to investigate and give its report to Election Office who can then make public the finding. Why was this not done?

Anonymous said...

The WP are not interested as none of the Presidential Candidate was endorsed by them.

Wonder if they do come into power, what will their attitude towards local Singaporean...

Chua Chin Leng aka redbean said...

Can a transparent system allow the ballot boxes to travel from point A to point B without a rep from the respective candidates escorting? This is about a system that leaves no doubt and no one has a reasonable reason to object.

Anonymous said...

All ballot papers(votes) must be placed back in the same boxes respectively after counting and sealed till they are destroyed. Period.

Anonymous said...

And no additional, spare and or extra box(es) can be allowed at counting centres and anywhere else.

Anonymous said...

Wow Anons 2:02 n 2:05 pm.

You mean the Election Dept in Sin
did, do not know what must be done?

Anonymous said...

Asked too much kanna ceilinggate liao. Here no worry kanna redbeangate?

b said...

I will not be surprised that some boxes are lost, stolen, replaced on the way. No party can keep winning for so many years despite all the problems created unless the voters are really stupid or insane.

b said...

But if the police, election dept are all partisan, there is nothing the ordinary citizens can do except to bear with it.

Anonymous said...

This story is like Nancy Drew mystery lah. or Hardy Boys.

THE CASE OF THE MISSING BALLOT BOX.

Or maybe like Enid Blyton's Famous Five. I think I will write the story. The five child investigators will be RedBean (leader), Old Horse, Patriot, Matilah (the token fat, bumbling fool) and the encyclopediaic but hot-tempered transexual, Veritas.

Anonymous said...

I knew something ratty was in the making when they abolish the Boxing Day public holiday back then.

Anonymous said...

Heard the joke about the empty box?
Here's how it goes...there's nothing in it, (anymore).

Anonymous said...

"Here's how it goes...there's nothing in it, (anymore)."


What many people didn't realize the seriousness of these issue that vote rigging is at play, and very likely considering how strict is the election department is all along.

Just imagine that there are actually few boxes that outwardly are the exact duplicate of the original, down to the label and document. The replica contains vote that support pappies. So somehow they are switched with the original at the right time at most secure and unsuspecting area (after all, kangaroos are found everywhere in sillypore, not only in Australia !). (Remember YaCock says "Read the right things" could also be "switch the right time") for vote rigging. So when it is time to account for the box, they cannot clear the replica and the original together under the watchful eyes, which easily reveal the fraud. So they hide the replica from the public, hoping to clear it later. However, no one dare to bring out the box for fear of been caught in the act so they leave it there hopefully it will be forgotten.

Redbean,
don't you think such scenario can happen, especially Uniquely Singapore, city of possibilities where kangaroos roam the paradise of the rich ?

Anonymous said...

Its stupid for any one to say these boxes are empty therefore nothing is in suspect, in any process these is huge, such is the severity of the boxes as it could decide a new president, the candidate such as Dr Tan CB ciuld have won, only in this god forsaken country suchbthing to slide.

In all common sense, there be a re-election for the presidential sit, its totally unacceptable for such a thing to happen, if on the other hand if Dr Tan CB was elected then we will see the uproar and there would be foul paly screeeeeemer on every page of news media.

The candidates must veto such rubbish and ask for a re-election, if all that have been said the resident president should have no fear as the result will be the same. Tio bo bros.

Anonymous said...

Matilah for president....

Anonymous said...

Only draft people will accept the explanations given. To clear all doubts, call a new election. If people supported you earlier they will support you again. Having a doubtful elected president is not going to reflect very well on Singapore image.

Anonymous said...

The last round when I voted (the one and only time after waiting for donkey years), I threw my vote into a very miserable damp looking carton box. There is no label, locks, chain over it. It looks many times worse than those election boxes used in indonesian and malaysia elections.

Anonymous said...

Would be interesting to know who were the contractor or contractors authorised to dispose the ballot boxes, how many workers were involved in the whole election and how did they disposed off the ballot boxes, where, who and when.

Any standing instructions to the contractors, any tender processes?

Anonymous said...

I remember a wryly old sage once proposed 2-votes for the 'educated elites' and no vote for the damned coolies.

Anonymous said...

>>1005pm

He and his elite mentality should go to hell. They are the people that make this world so miserable, messy, unjust.

Anonymous said...

Only in sing can such things happen, opposition is sue till they go bankkkkkupt, have their asset freeze, thrown in jail for drawing cartoons, even in prison you can die....and there's hell nothing you can do about it, empty ballot boxes....alls well because we they say alls is ok...., then they tell us to stop at 2, then oh no, screw more, open the damn door and let ah sengs in to beat, cheat, kill us......., what a wonderfull place, health cost high, car prices high, house prices high, minister salary high, welcome to Singapore.

WE WILL LEAVE NO ONE BEHIND, just don't come infront of us.

Anonymous said...

On top of all of the above...it is always you people's fault. Gotta be told to stop at two, gotta be told to breed like rabbits, gotta be told this, gotta be told that. Can't be trusted to gamble responsibly, to own a car, lazy, lacking a go getting spirit. Need to be spurred...up their collective backside. Get the drift?

Anonymous said...

Few months ago in a post RB once said: "When mandate is over, mandate is over."


Looking back and looking forward, if that is the case, then might as well let more things screw up.

All these screw ups are heaven sent. Likely because mandate is often in ancient China refers to as Heaven's Mandate. If its over, in the past 5,000 years, all kinds of events would culminate into a perfect storm and dethrone the mandate's over emperor.

Looks like GE 2015/ 16 could be a perfect storm.

Looks like what happens to many sg pmets and workers might just play out in many of their own kinds.

After GE2015/ 16, many might be tasting the bitter mdecine of being suddenly made jobless and obsolete.

Hell, if they have any inkling, many should be searching for another job now!

Only left 2 years 8 months to May 2016 assuming next GE to be held around that time. 2 years 4 months have already elapsed and each passing day and hour means the hours of reckoning is getting near.

Frankly, like many middle ground voters, I am neutral. The only hope is any alternative can learn from such lessons and not walk the same paths and make the same mistakes. Otherwise, they are just no different from those they are going to displaced and replaced. If they are so, they would end up being displaced and replaced by those who are genuine people's leaders whose primary priority is to serve the people than themselves and their own kind.

So?

"So?" virus too strong and still going strong.

What too do?

Ballot boxes said...

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Anonymous said...

these boxes will be used to train the offspring of daft singaporean to build resting space for kuan yew?

else how to jump out as claimed

Chua Chin Leng aka redbean said...

Mr Murphy and his Law never fails. What will go wrong will go wrong. And it comes, one after another like it is not going to stop.

Anonymous said...

In this instance Mr Murphy will feel insulted.

Anonymous said...

Is anyone lying?

Anonymous said...

Just that if you want hawker centre ceiling whiter than white, you also better play ball, don't hide. Disappointed.

El Lobo Loco said...

Speculation and conspiracy theories backed by more speculation.

Here are the facts.

Ballot boxes are used and controlled from before they are sealed to when they are opened and the emptied of the ballots.

After that, they are discarded (or put aside to be discarded). Their fate (and disposal) is no longer an issue, and they are not guarded, controlled or otherwise accorded any concern or allocated any further resources.

The counted ballots (at the counting centre) are then placed in a DIFFERENT box which is sealed and then sent to the storage area (I believe the Supreme Court was mentioned).

All this was in the newspaper report.

Singaporean's reading & comprehension skills are atrocious. And we worry about Mother Tongue standards.

Or maybe people just don't trust the mainstream media and prefer the speculative fiction offered by Alternative Media.

virgo49 said...

Just saw the wrongfully elected president enjoying himself with his son in the air-conned vvvip room eating snacks watching the F1 race.

What a life!!

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