9/26/2013

The silly myth of bringing in better talents

The craps of not wanting to lose out on a better foreign talent is being waved by everyone especially the foreigners and foreign recruiting agencies as the excuse to bring in foreign talents. This silly reasoning must be put to a stop. I can replace every Sinkie in every profession, including ministers as there will be one better foreigner to replace him.
 

We must be very clear why we allowed foreigners to work here. We need better foreign talents, we are short of talents/professionals in some fields, but no, we don’t need to bring in another foreigner because he happens to be a little better than another Sinkie so we can replace the Sinkie.
 

Take the foreign footballers as an example. What good is there to bring in the foreign footballers? Do they make our national team better? Or should we replace everyone in our national team with these foreign footballers? In this particular case, the only reason for them to be here is to fill up the numbers in the few clubs that we have. Even this is really not necessary, unnecessary. We can still have our football league with our local boys kicking the balls around and the bets going on as usual. There is no real value add with all the foreign footballers here.
 

What is so great about having a few better accountants, managers, engineers, bankers just because they are claimed to be better? Did they change anything in the game? If they are game changers, that makes a big difference. Those are the type of talents that we need. Do we need more talented mee siam sellers to replace our mee siam sellers?
 

For practical reasons, we only need professionals to fill jobs where there is a real shortage in a particular field. Many of the professional jobs can be filled by Sinkies or by so called foreigners and nothing really changes. A good example is the way the Australians handle such economic migrants. There is a list of jobs like plumbers, sewerage engineers, carpenters, cooks, nurses etc that they need as they did not have enough Australians working in these jobs. The migrants are allowed in not because they were better plumbers, better cooks or better nurses, but because there is a shortfall.
 

If the logic is to bring in better talents in mundane routine jobs, we don’t need Sinkies anymore. And mundane routine jobs can be PME jobs. We have enough trained and qualified Sinkies for these jobs. And only stupid and irresponsible people will accept the stupid reasoning that we should replace Sinkies with foreigners because the foreigner is a better talent than the Sinkie. What difference does it make if a better foreign civil engineer or IT professional is recruited to replace a Sinkie? Nothing. They are all doing the same job, nothing more nothing less, unless the Sinkie is not qualified and cannot do the job.
 

Shouldn’t a graduate be employed to be a petrol pump attendant as he is better talented? Is he going to be more productive than a ‘boh tak cheh’ ah pek? The graduate is a talent of course, a better talent than the ah pek. So? What is the competition, competing against who and making money from where and who?
The only good reason is that we don’t have enough in the profession that we need foreigners. We don’t need foreigners so that our Sinkies can be replaced and made jobless, no matter how talented the foreigners are.
 

Stop spewing rubbish and myths to con the daft Sinkies.

43 comments:

Anonymous said...

Just make all the foreigners PRs, then no problem. PRs are locals. Citizens are locals. Same same.

No more problems except more local PMEs out of jobs.

Anonymous said...

Foreign talents, just like money, is never enough lah.

More local PMEs out of jobs? So?

Anonymous said...

Recently I feel that we were rather REACTIVE in our approaches and policies for our nation.......fire fighting .....

Look at issues regarding population, housing, transportation, healthcare, education, flooding, etc......

I think our PM must establish a STRATEGIC division under one of the minister-without-portfolio within the PM office to look far into the future and be proactive regarding these issues........

Anonymous said...

So be it lah.

Anonymous said...

...PM must establish a STRATEGIC division....
Anon September 26, 2013 11:12 am

No need lah.

What is more strategic than strongest opposition not being ready to be govt? And smart Sinkies can make lots of money?

Anonymous said...

Recent surveys on % of locals in MNCs are poorly done and purposely include PRs as locals. Here we are shouting on top of our voice telling government that our jobs are being robbed by foreigners and these include PRs who gain easy access due to generous intake policy by giovernment. Yet, the government only do lip service of conducting a half baked survey to proof nothing is out of order. What are they trying to con? Con You?

Anonymous said...

With more foreigners, it is true local PMEs can lose their jobs to them.

But as long as these "made jobless" local PMEs are a minority, say 40% or less, it should be OK. Companies will gain from cheaper foreign talents and GDP will also grow with more foreigners in the workforce.

If I were govt, I will look at this big picture and also whether the strongest opposition is the WP.

Anonymous said...

Local is another 4 letter word like affordable.

patriot said...

It is a gross fallacy to say foreigners are better than Sinkies though it is also true that for every talented Sinkies, there are hundreds of thousands better elsewhere. BUT, THEY DO NOT BELONG HERE.
IT IS BECAUSE THE FOREIGNERS ARE CHEAPER AND EASIER TO MANIPULATE AND EXPLOIT THAT THEY ARE PREFFERED AND DESIRED.

The foreigners are brought in and turn into locals and soon they will turn themselves into the Local's Masters. Beware of the Consequence.

patriot

Anonymous said...

You just answer your self contradiction. Foreigners are easy to manipulate only when they are few in numbers. Once they are big and know the ground, they will manipulate to take advantage of the Sinkies.

Even the maids are getting smarter and outsmarting their employers with all kinds of tricks.

patriot said...

It is true that local workers will and are losing their rice bowls to foreigners.
Soon, locals WILL BE LOSING THE COUNTRY TO THEM without a fight, BECAUSE SINKIES ARE COMPLACENT.

patriot

patriot

Anonymous said...

In a war, some soldiers may have to die lah.

In getting lots of foreign talents, some lcoals may have to lose their jobs lah.

Anonymous said...

I think PAP very strategic one. If not ah, how can they win every election with at least 93% seats?

Smart Sinkies also very strategic one. If not ah, why they so happy and satisfied when cost of living is so high, HDB pigeon holes so expensive etc etc?

Even WP also very strategic one. If not ah, how can they become the strongest opposition with 7 elected MPs?

Anonymous said...

I think one of the serious national ill in future is high DEBTS........

I was shock to see the huge number of people committing to million dollars house debts at property launches and even a few hundreds thousands for a BTO flat...........like what my mum say......everyone rush, like no need money........

These people think all would be well in the future.....

Always got a job.....salary sure increase.......promotions.... retrenchment only affect others not me ....family healthy....... etc.....

Imagine, with fast growing population from now to 2030 6.9M population, with so many people around.......you can be easily replaced .......looking for a job at that time with same salary is like striking lottery ......

Simple living ........ GO BACK TO BASIC.......cheers .....

Anonymous said...

...PM must establish a STRATEGIC division....
Anon September 26, 2013 11:12 am

No need lah!
No amount of engineering and mentoring can improve upon a hopeless and incompetent PM.
"We need another Lee Kuan Yew".
Looks like somebody misses his daddy!

Daddy! Daddy!
Singapore gahmen has become very reactive.
Daddy! Daddy! How?

zzzzzzzzzzzz ; snore ; zzzzzzzzz

Anonymous said...

redbean should write an article called 'The silly myth of voting in PAP for a better government".

Anonymous said...

This one no need to write. It is written all over the walls.

b said...

Not talents but trashes. PAP oversold them to make us feel inferior based on some ruthless principles conyou is well versed in. It is true that sinkies are better off without conyou. We will be living in a proper landed freehold house and driving to work in a car just like those Customer Service staff in ipoh and penang. Everytime I go there, I feel we are all ripped off by conyou. Unfortunnately, 50% of the voters prefer to stay being con.

Anonymous said...

Singaporeans to be replaced by PRs is ok. PRs is one of us. MOM can issue more PRs than nothing more to complain.

Anonymous said...

A foreign head hunter walked into the CEO office and offer his 50 top banking talents from New York and told him they were better than all the local SVPs and EVPs.

Time to change the whole team. Cannot miss the opportunity to change all the non talents with the top talents from Wall Street.

Anonymous said...

living in Singapore is like that ........

must keep debt low or no debt ........

pockets must have money ........

no choice....... ha ha ha.......cheers.....

Anonymous said...

Imagine a nice 3-generation family, then the son got addicted to performance. He looks at this mother in coma, and replaces her with a good Japanese mother. He looks at his sister in poor health and replaces her with a strong Chinese woman. He looks at his daughter with lousy PSLE results and replaces her with a brilliant Indian teenager. He looks at his wife of average beauty and replaces her with a Miss American. That man may be enjoying better performance, but where is the original family.

It is the same with a nation. Singapore has higher GDP but where are the original Singaporeans?

Anonymous said...

It's all about money . Big money to be made by recruiting agencies and the foreign HRs employment agencies from these companies . Foreign professionals coming here to Singapore are willing to pay recruiting agencies commissions to be able to work in (PME) positions in Singapore on a E-Pass which they eventually could get PRs. Work some years in Singapore, and then off they go to a better place USA or Australia . Moreover, getting a good paying jobs back home in their countries in India , China or Philippines are so competitive and difficult . Also considering Singapore's better infrastructures, medical facilities, environmental and better security than their country back home . It attract them to Singapore like a magnets .

Just look up some newspaper reports some times back, the S-Pass work permit foreigners working in the building industries -- how many have admitted that they paid their recruiting agencies back in India thousands of dollars to be able to work in Singapore . And they are so afraid to loose their jobs and be send home .
Same goes to the E-Pass holders ... not so much as they are more talented than Singaporeans ( PME ) or our local fresh graduates. They are here to replace our (PME) citizens --- see Patriot post below .

>> 11:51 Patriot <<
They are recruited to work in Singapore because they are cheaper and easier to manipulate and exploit , that they are preferred and desired .

It is a number games in millions of dollars . How much do you think our local experience professionals or fresh graduates ; when applying for a PME jobs are willing to pay these recruiting/ employment agencies and HRs . I may assume, almost close to nothing - $0 dollars right . So , is there any incentive for these agencies to hire Singaporean PMEs . I doubt so . But I have to stress that I do not mean to say all recruiting or employment agencies or HRs ; maybe some unscrupulous few are doing it . Cannot imagine if all are doing it today ..they will cause a total uproar and unimaginable multitude
of turmoil in Singapore .
I cannot believe that our NUS , NTU and SMU graduates are not better than some of these "DO-NOT-KNOW-WHAT" university graduates from India, China or Philippines . What more , some come with a " forge " degree ... was discovered only after several years later. What happen to those not discover yet?
So , who's duty or who's fault in the first place ... is it the work of a " failed " policies or some authority .
I read with interest that MOM finally is coming out with some sort of control to the industries ... firms must show they tried to recruit Singaporeans first ( ST- 24/09/2013 ) and jobs bank established and run by Singapore Workforce Development Agency . 10 firms slammed for biased job ads and banned from hiring new foreign workers for six months (ST -26/09/2013) This is good news to our local PMEs , I hope this very welcome change in direction from MOM is able to improve their chance . But , but , let me remind the authority that still the recruiting companies and the employment agencies can still "wayang wayang" get some local PMEs for interview and fail them ... proofs that they can show MOM . Like I use to said , they are the " pro " in this money game. And in my this presupposition , I hope ; I "really hope " I am wrong to blame these recruiting/ employment agencies .

b said...

Actually kpkb in the blog and internet can help the gov to do something even if it is just some wayangs. Do not say kpkb is useless, sometimes kpkb can cause a party to lose election.
No country can progress in this world without kpkb. Kpkb is the key to any progression and eliminating of povety. Everyone should kpkb until the society is in ideal state. The ministers want the best pay then they have to endure the best kpkb.

Anonymous said...

it is alright to kpkb ........ but ........

in Singapore, you must live/lead a SIMPLE life ...........

don't chase after everything...don't follow the crowds......

must be DEBT-low or DEBT-free.......

think about it seriously....is it easy to get another job if being retrenched when our population rise to 6.9M?...........

b said...

>>423pm

Sinkies are living below simple life. Simple life is something like peppa pig. Peppa papa has a proper house and a car to drive the kids around. Sinkies cannot even achieve those minimum standard. Conyou is the root cause. He con everyone and made himself filty rich. When more and more third world people (malaysia, indo, thai, china, india, pinoys) are achieving simple life in their own country, more and more sinkies are going below simple life. THe 60% voters foolishness is infinite.

Anonymous said...

/// Sinkies are living below simple life ///

Sure or not?
Lee Con You is living a simple life meh?

Anonymous said...

"I think our PM must establish a STRATEGIC division under one of the minister-without-portfolio within the PM office to look far into the future and be proactive regarding these issues........"
September 26, 2013 11:12 am

What?
You mean our 90 year old forecaster is no longer up to the task?
Why did not the great forecaster forsee his own eventual fate?
Maybe he is not as good at forecasting as he claims to be?

Anonymous said...

"Foreigners are easy to manipulate only when they are few in numbers. Once they are big and know the ground, they will manipulate to take advantage of the Sinkies."
Sinkies u think u can wait any longer wait till u receive the 69 present. U batter be alert if u notice a group of FT walking behind u.

b said...

>>557pm

Peppa pig is a cartoon character from nickelodeon. It has nothing to do with conyou except they are of the same species.

Anonymous said...

Under "Choo Seng Quee", we did better than these monkeys, my brother-in-law happen to have seen our squad and wondered why such a fat person can played for our national soccer squad, is like china is throwing their shit outside their doors and we are picking them, so fucking "pie sie", you can practically see his tummy, swimmers and ping pong are "the nearly there's", we even pay the mother (tao li's) singapore dollars 5k just to listen to phone calls and boss the locals singapore swimmers.

The Ma B T once said singapore could qualify for the workd cup, fuck, they can't even smell the grass let alone enter the stadium. We have all the 3rd stringers never the 1st class like what france had. Given another 50 world cups, i think a housefly has a better chance of going into a world cup.....

Singaporean are not dumb ass even rocket science can be learnt given some time, we have some of the most advance science here and top of the range technology, the best zoos, best fucking airports, we strive because this is our homeland, we live, we fight and we die here, not because we have to but because we love to.

Just look at our ministers, the best paid, some don't even leave after they resign, taking forever salary....talking bull and throwing smoke, if they have done it for so many years, tell me what, singaporeans cannot do.

Matilah_Singapura said...

redbean,

Actually the new "business-friendly" Abbot government is going to be adopting Singapore-style open borders for massive influx of foreign labour. This is from increasing pressure from business lobbies, as the private sector paying very high wages.

Here in WA, average monthly earnings for full time adult worker is approx AUD6500+. Try being a boss and meeting your payroll with those kinds of numbers. Fucking good luck to you!

Boom times, ok. However now not-so-boom-times, but wages still astronomically high.

So there will be lots of wayang, maybe even a few protests where police personnel kena hantam...Aussie workers will hate it...but eventually the PRIVATE SECTOR will get its way and have access to more "choice" in the labour market.

Different cuntree, same govt policy lah -- as dictated by the private sector -- the only sector which produces anything of value, and creates those high paying jobs.

Anonymous said...

>> 10:04 <<
No way . Even if the Australian government wants to , the unions and the citizens will give them hell . Australia is rich in resources and their government ministers are more concern not to be voted out in the next election .
Like redbean said, they have a good system to handle such economic migrants or the so called foreign talents
umpteen years ago .

Singapore election .... not to worry . The Sinkies are much easier to satisfy . Just give them some sweeteners and they will be very happy to forget about all other issues . PAP will still win the election with the 60% support now . Some more sweeteners , maybe 70% . Correct some wrong or unpopular policies , chances to increase the winning to 75%.

Anonymous said...

Singapore has very little talent mah and all in government Liao so that's why in private sector u need the FT to come in. U tell me lar, knn is it not the government trying to tell us. That is government sector got talent that is why no need to open to FT so competition there not necessary but every other field, need Level playing field so FT and sinkies treated as equal lor

Anonymous said...

Only stupid people compare Sin to Oz.
Know the difference between a continent and a tiny rock just above sea level?

Anonymous said...

@ Patriot 11.57 am:

//It is true that local workers will and are losing their rice bowls to foreigners.
Soon, locals WILL BE LOSING THE COUNTRY TO THEM without a fight, BECAUSE SINKIES ARE COMPLACENT.//


If not how?

Ask RB join in the fray?

Form an ultimate "Dream GRC Team"?

Contest in next GE instead of just cry father cry mother everyday?

Any suggestion for the "Ultimate Dream Team"?

No?

I suggest?

Hmmmmm

Ok, let me just struggle to try ......


ermmmmmm .......

1st candidate: Uncle 70 year old lau blogger RB

2nd candidate: Mr Know all talk nonsense "U know who" lar

3rd candidate: The Mr anti-caste die-hard "KieLeng"

4th candidate has to be the "Open-U" educated Patriot

5th candidate: unknown for now

so how?

only 4 candidates presumably with one minority candidate

Wah say!

2 possible "battle grounds": 4-men Kallang-Moulmein and Yishun GRCs.

Yacob, Lui and Mugam should be scared, very scared, trembling in their pants with this "GRC Dream Team" provided RB's knees do not rebel by the next election and start trembling also uncontrollably by the next GE.

Also must think of the hundreds of blocks of flats to climb up and down during 9 days of intensive work from dawn to dusk.

How?

Sg got talent?

Anonymous said...

1.12am why can not sleep is it. If u got nothing better to say just keep your mouth shut lar lest others stick their dicks into your mouth lor.

If u got balls, u run for parliament lor. No balls is it. Got check during shower your two tiny still there or not or missing u still don't know meh?

Chua Chin Leng aka redbean said...

Hi Anon 11:09, well said. If I were Abbott, I will also do the same for Australia. It can take in another 100m people without anyone feeling the crunch. Australia will boom and every Aussie will be richer by a hundred times. Boom town Charlie.

As for my physical condition, I will outrun Anon 1:12 on the 100m dash even today. Don't worry, my knees and legs are still strong.

Anonymous said...

@ 6.32 am

You daft is it? Why you think uncle sam got a black president elected? It was said many was so fed up with bush they would probably vote anybody in. Isn't it the same here now? Don't look down on rb can?

Anonymous said...

That idiot patriot has been talking to himself all these years.
What has he done to better our lives anf society ?

Anonymous said...

@ anon 11.10am

"That idiot patriot has been talking to himself all these years.
What has he done to better our lives anf society ?"


Have lah! At least he contributed some reasonable perspectives, reasoning and ideas. But no man is perfect including our grandmaster lor! Of course if patriot becomes more discerning and spot on in his future judgements etc, over time he should be able to contribute more lah! His views on certain issues are quite strategic and far-sighted. Just that those views might have stepped on some sensitive toes and ruffle some "cocooned" and/ or "stubborn and proud peacock" and/ or "self-serving/ selfish" feathers lar .....

Anonymous said...

@ anon 11.10am

"That idiot patriot has been talking to himself all these years.
What has he done to better our lives anf society ?"


The situation is many million-dollars-salaries+bonuses+what-have-you ministars also have been talking & talking & talking all these donkey years but the poor and the old also are still not doing any better? So what have they contributed to our society? Now middle class also kanna squeezed jialat jialat liao! So again ministars talk & talk all these years who benefit in the end? The filthy rich 1%, yaya papaya elites and the many endless foreigners imported to "bring down costs"? "To bring down costs", there can be many different options. Why must the poor and middle class bear the bulk of the brunt, if not all? Frankly, for those who have ever taken economics, when SinCity elites adopt a stance of a perfectly elastic practically unlimited supply of labour ( approxly 3.5 billion NE, SE & Sth Asians ), it simply means wages for the poor, the old and many PMEs would perpetually stay depressed as long as this policy stance is in place. If ever our elites are as talented as they are touted to be, surely they can have other options than just purely and almost fully passed on the full burden of low costs to the poor, the old and the middle class PMEs.

Btw, anon 11.10 am, all these talk & talk all these years regardless any effectiveness still bring the current and retired ministars and numerous elites millions and millions of remunerations.

What has Patriot got from doing all these?

b said...

>>1004pm

Aussie must open border for more immigrants if she does not want to be colonised by indonesia one day. It is afterall a big country with very little people.